- what are the rules for becoming specialist handler of a retriever (handler of a hunting dog - blood tracking, retriever, handler of a different SAR dog, handler of a tracking dog, handler of a rally obedience dog etc.): there are 12+ retriever handler specializations possible
- breeding rules for nova scotia duck tolling retrievers and guidance for stud dog owners
- all about dog shows and different champion titles (from show and work) through rare retriever breeds
We prepared new literature in Slovene useful for (rare) retriever breeds' owners:
Pedigree names of puppies from our litters are built from "surname", i.e. kennel name, written in front of dog's name, which can be already his/her call name, but just up to 5 signs long (including space) and starting on the same letter for puppies from the same litter. We encourage new owners to choose call names, but we have to know that selected name before the breeding referee comes for a visit, because we have to know all pedigree names for the whole litter by that time, so that puppies' pedigrees can be made. The best is off course, that the names are chosen before puppies are born.
Name of the kennel is "Praetorium Latobicorum's", which means Trebnje's. It comes from 1st name for city Trebnje, i.e. Praetorium Latobicorum. Because of the length of the city's old name and because of the limitation of the number of letters in the pedigree names, we used English expression of "belonging" instead of Slovene, i.e. 's instead of ski/ska, not to loose even more signs in dogs' names. Choice of the 1st letter from the Slovene alphabet depends on the breed and on the "original" female, i.e. female we bred from in our kennel but was not born in our kennel:
Choice of the 1st letter has always some special meaning for us:
Example of the name: "Praetorium Latobicorum's Daisy", who we call "Daisy" and is in Slovene "trebanjska marjetica". Because her mother is Gea, the 1st letter of her name was selected from voiced obstruents, same was with the 1st letter of Daisy's litter and the whole line after Gea.
Kako izberemo prve črke v imenih mladičkov naših legel
Rodovniška imena mladičkov naših legel so sestavljena iz "priimka", tj. imena psarne, ki se piše spredaj, ter lahko že kar klicnega imena, ki je dolgo do 5 znakov (vključno s presledkom) in se za mladičke iz istega legla začne na isto črko. Slednje ime si lahko izbere nov lastnik sam, s tem, da nam mora sporočiti izbrano ime do obiska vzrejnega referenta, ko morajo biti rodovniška imena že pripravljena za nadaljno birokracijo. Najbolje je seveda, da je ime izbrano še pred rojstvom mladičkov.
Ime psarne je "Praetorium Latobicorum's", kar pomeni "trebanjski/trebanjska". Izhaja iz prvega imena kraja Trebnje, tj. Praetorium Latobicorum. Ker je ime tako dolgo in ker je omejitev števila črk v rodovniškem imenu, smo namesto slovenskega izraza za "pripadnost" uporabili angleško različico, tj. 's, in na tak način ne izgubili dodatnih črk v imenu psa. Izbira prve črke iz slovenskega jezika pa zavisi od pasme oz. celo od "izvorne" psičke, tj. psičke, ki je imela mladičke v naši psarni, a ona sama ni bila vzrejena v naši psarni:
Izbira prve črke ima za nas vedno tudi nek pomen:
Primer imena: "Praetorium Latobicorum's Daisy", ki jo kličemo "Daisy" in bi po slovensko bila "trebanjska marjetica". Ker je njena mama Gea, je bila izbira prve črke med zvenečimi nezvočniki, enako je bilo v primeru njenega legla in celotne linije po Gei.
Nova scotia duck tolling retriever
In 2009 we imported 8 weeks old Gea Angels of Baranya (Gea) and in 2011 8 weeks old Pretty Pearl Angels of Baranya (Pretty) from Croatia. They are half-sisters after Kazi z Vlčích luk (Kazi).
Gea had D-litter in 2012 with Lauvstuas Olympic Orion Ayrdust (Orion, he is living in Poland), Pretty had L-litter in 2015 with Delongstar Diamond Dream (Dingo, he is living in UK).
Gea is aunt to L-litter, while Pretty is aunt to D-litter, i.e. L-litter and D-litter puppies are cousins.
Daisy (D-litter puppy) had G-litter in 2017 with Red Hot Chilli's Design of Nochill (Lays, he is living in Poland).
Gea is grandmother to G-litter, while Pretty is like "cold" grandmother to G-litter, Daisy's siblings are aunts and uncles to G-litter, while L-litter puppies are like "cold" uncles and aunts.
All tollers from our breeding get the prefix Praetorium Latobicorum's followed by up to 5-letter name.
From D-litter we kept Daisy (we did not find good enough homes for boys, so we kept Dusty and Dylan too), from L-litter Lira. From G-litter we did not keep any puppy, however Glory came back and we kept her.
Curly coated retriever
In 2010 we imported almost 6 months old Heidi Angels of Baranya (Heidi) from Croatia.
Heidi had H-litter in 2015 with Middog’s Eliott (Eliott, he is living in Austria).
All curlies from our breeding get the prefix Praetorium Latobicorum's followed by up to 5-letter name.
From H-litter we kept Hera (we did not find good enough home for Haru and because he is show-work promising with excellent health, we kept him too in hope to eventually get his offspring).
Chesapeake bay retriever
In 2015 we got almost 3 years old Ilona chessy z Vlčích luk (Chessy) from kennel Tohočinska, who imported Chessy from Czech Republic when Chessy was 8 months old.
All chessies from our breeding get the prefix Praetorium Latobicorum's followed by up to 5-letter name.
Updated: 16. 03. 2017.
We do not believe in:
Therefore the statistics of our litters looks like:
Nova scotia duck tolling retriever:
Chesapeake bay retriever:
Statistics of puppies from our litters:
Nova scotia duck tolling retriever:
Curly coated retriever:
Chesapeake bay retriever:
Dogs from our breeding that stayed in our kennel:
Nova scotia duck tolling retriever:
Curly coated retriever:
Chesapeake bay retriever:
Updated: 16. 03. 2017.
1st WEEK: normal feeding, no insecticides and no live vaccines.
Fri 11 Nov 2016:
2nd WEEK: Care of the bitch same as Week 1.
Tue 22 Nov 2016 through Thu 24 Nov 2016:
3rd WEEK: Bitch may start to experience morning sickness due to either hormonal changes or from uterine distension. Feed smaller meals several times a day to help with morning sickness. If morning sickness persists, your vet may prescribe a drug to relax the uterus. May perform ultrasound at this time to determine pregnancy - discuss possible risks of the procedure with your vet.
Fri 25 Nov 2016 through Fri 2 Dec 2016:
4th WEEK: Bitch may start to have a clear, vaginal discharge. May use palpitation to diagnose pregnancy. Limit strenuous activity.May wish to increase protein in the bitch's diet. Feeding puppy kibble is a good way to accomplish this.
Thu 1 Dec 2016 through Thu 8 Dec 2016:
5th WEEK: Bitch begins to lose her 'tuck-up' as weight increases and puppies shift. Swelling of the vulva becomes more noticeable. Be aware of bitch's weight - do NOT overfeed. Palpitation no longer possible due to increased fluids in the uterus.
Fri 9 Dec 2016:
6th WEEK: Introduce bitch to whelping box/area - start having her sleep there. Increase frequency of meals, keeping an eye on her weight.
7th WEEK: Do not allow bitch to play rough with other dogs or to jump. May take radiographs to determine number and size of pups.
Sun 25 Dec 2016:
8th WEEK: Bitch's appetite may decrease due to abdominal crowding. May want to have bitch thoroughly checked with vet and discuss possible problems. Gather together your whelping kit and make preparations.
Wed 28 Dec 2016 through Thu 5 Jan 2017:
9th WEEK: Bitch's appetite may disappear as whelping time nears.
Mon 9 Jan 2017 through Thu 12 Jan 2017:
On 29. 07. 2016 few of our H-puppies and father of the litter already came to the meeting's location, so we drove there to go for a walk and a swim with dogs.
Hideo (Ozzy) was happy to meet his Chessy again, who just ignored him, Hera was happy of Hideo, who ignored her, while mother Heidi and Hideo just greeted each other for few seconds, than they went to do their business further on, i.e. Hideo had to follow the water crazy Chessy and Heidi had to go back into the bushes to collect more seeds with her coat and to dig out the treasure. This was in her opinion the best Birthday party ever, because although she was with the dogs, she was playing alone (she is like her mother Ama).
Heidi did not even notice H-puppies father Eliott and his "sibling" the dalmatian Luke, who joined us later. None of the dogs were interested in other people, they just loved to play in the water and with each other.
On 30. 07. 2016 the official part of the 1st curly meeting in Slovenia, with parents and friends of our H-puppies, started in the morning at Ribniško lake in Kočevje with father Eliott, mum Heidi (left in the morning), sons Haru (left in the morning) and Ozzy (Hideo), daughters Hera (left in the morning), Halma and Hope, father's friend dalmatian Luke and toller helper Daisy.
We did basic behaviour test that can be done once per year (results for the litter is below), discussed it comparing to the parents and among siblings.
After the basic instinctual behaviour test we started with land exercises for SUP with the dog (Daisy was the helper): body awareness exercises, balance exercises, exercises for building muscles and target exercises (towel). After the land exercises we tried how dogs are ready to stay calmly on the surf with the owner.
After the SUP training we did a small break to cool down the dogs in the water and to let the puppies, that did not have the opportunity to swim since they left their nest, remember how to swim (they are all perfect swimmers). With help of happy dummies and Daisy (social learning) some of the puppies and the dalmatian Luke learned how to jump from the dock into the water. All the successful ones had also a short individual training.
At the end we trained things that make problems to new owners, did smaller part of personality test for juniors (average of the tested H-puppies is presented below) and gave to all of the dog-handler teams the SUP diplomas for the memory.
It was really nice to meet you and looking forward to see you all next year, when the puppies will be learning how to search for truffles.
The meeting of our D and L tollers was planned on 03. 07. 2016, but was due to really bad weather postponed to the next day, 04. 07. 2016.
However, all our tollers went to the location of meeting also on 03. 07. 2016, where we met Lola and well behaved German pointer Beni from Croatia. Lola is still bigger from Lira (and will probably always be), the only thing that changed from the last time they were together is that now they both have the same red colour (Lira lost all the puppy coat). All dogs were swimming, jumping into the pond, retrieving happy dummies and had fun.
On the next day afternoon father and half-brother of the L-litter came with their "sibling" Jack, so the number of dogs went from 9 to 11. We had a short walk followed by swimming and dock-jumping training with help of happy dummies and social learning from parents, older half-brother and cousins.
We did basic behaviour test that can be done once per year (results for both litters are below), tested behaviour at shot (all tollers are gun-calm) and trained things that make problems to new owners before we went for a lunch.
It was really nice to meet you all and looking forward to see you next year.
More amazing photos of the 2nd day by Yulia Titovets you can find in the fb album.
Exercise-induced collapse (EIC) is a big problem in Labradors as well as in Curlies. How the problem looks like, you can see on this video. Bare in mind, that with DNA test, that exists long enough, this problem would be already completely avoided, i.e. no reason to produce EIC affected dogs, even if the trigger never takes place.
According to the Slovene rules and laws we are not allowed to breed in the way that we would produce affected dogs (for recessive trait, like EIC, both genes have to be mutated that the dog has the possibility to get sick, i.e. that he is affected). And even if it would be allowed to breed in the way that we would produce health-problematic dogs, we love our dogs, work with them and find breeding "affected x affected", "affected x carrier", "carrier x carrier" unethical, something like animal abuse (like in the law). So do not expected from us to get a Curly who is like the Labrador on the video.
Affected dogs without symptoms and carriers can be bred (and should be bred to avoid gene pool shrinking) only to clear dogs, no other option. Period.
While clear dogs can be bred to any dog, even untested one.
Probability for each puppy if parents are:
The only Curly in Slovenia with breeding license is Heidi, who is EIC carrier. She was bred to EIC clear male, so the probability for each puppy is 50 % that he/she is carrier or clear. But they are 100 % healthy for EIC, and can work to their max (they can go dogtrekking, can safely swim etc.).
Only through import we can bring into Slovenia affected dogs, while we will produce none. So please stop producing affected dogs, because it is not ethical and not good for the lovely curlies, who statistically have already too big problem with EIC, even if there is a small amount of dogs with symptoms - this is no excuse. And it is not fair to the countries, who try their best to get rid of the problem, to export your "shit" to them, while you import healthy dogs.
For the Labradors in Slovenia the problem is bigger, because the test for EIC came later than the 1st Labradors. So there might be already dogs produced here that are affected. Even worse, they do not have to be tested for EIC, like Curlies have to be to get the breeding license. If they are tested, they get permanent breeding license (if everything else is OK), otherwise they can have one litter. Not a good strategy.
The test costs sth like 40 € - 50 € at EVG - if you need a 15 % discount from old to new clients, just contact us (if EVG will still have that discount then).
Hopefully both mentioned breeds will never get there where Rough Collies are with Collie eye anomaly (CEA): they are breeding "carrier x carrier" to get some clears - majority of the population were still affected few years ago. But they are doing sth, while the Retriever folk in general is not, which is very sad, because especially Curlies do not have wide gene pool to be able to play around without strategy. All Curly breeders would have to have the goal to get rid off the mutation with proper breeding in ~ 5 generations and at the same time not to shrink the gene pool and create new problems.
This year (2016) a good site about genetic health of curlies with all databases has been published.
On 27. 09. 2015 Heidi and Chessy competed individually in bikejoring women in Stražun forest in Maribor, Slovenia. Heidi competed 1st, Chessy last. Barbara got to know the trail with Heidi, so with Chessy she could go a bit more relaxed knowing the trail a little bit more. Chessy was at the end 2.5 min faster from Heidi.
Heidi usually stops immediately when she want to poo, so there is hardly any time to stop the bike behind her. This time happened what we were always afraid off, i.e. there was not enough time to stop the bike, so Barbara hit Heidi's hind leg with the bike. Heidi moved a bit and pooped on. But from here on it was obvious that Heidi had fear and was not relaxed.
With Chessy it was obvious that we train a little bit wrong, i.e. she stopped every time when we passed certain length of trail - the length of stops was there there with our short training trail. When getting closer to finish line, she blocked a bit (like last time), but we managed to get through the finish line a bit better than last time.
We still need to train more and on longer trails with more turns, but the progress, especially with Chessy, was amazing.
Along with Chessy and Heidi we took also Haru, who was amazed by bikejoring starts. He met new people, new dogs, tried vegetarian meal which he did not like much, had fun and came home tired.
Photos from the event are in the slideshow below. Thank you to all the photographers for the photos, organizers for such a nice event, trail on a such a lovely day, and all for the help. It was very nice to meet old faces after a long time.
In Hraše, Smlednik, Slovenia, there was already 3rd dryland competition in memory of Henrik Sečnik. It was on the last March Sunday, 29. 03. 2015, on a sunny but not too warm day.
This year we entered only Chessy to bikejoring women open category, because Heidi was mated, Daisy was in season, Kala will probably end her career in sled sports etc.
The track was 3.5 km long, almost completely level with mud baths here and there. In general, very nice track. The weather was perfect for dogs and people, not warm, but sunny.
Before bikejoring in Hraše Chessy had one dogtrekking training with Kala and Heidi, where she learned how to pull on a harness (left photo below), and one bikejoring training with Heidi for 100 to 200 m, followed by one bikejoring training where she was alone (right yt video below).
She did not know left/right before the start in Hraše. In the 1st half she tried to pull out from the path for 3 times, but after that it got much better. She listened to left/right commands and understood them.
The major problem was, that Barbara drove into a mud, fell and stopped Chessy instantly. From the fall on Chessy was not so confident anymore as in the beginning. In the finish line she even stopped when she felt that leash is "hard" again in the way, that Barbara might fall again. After the leash was "relaxed", and Barbara promised Chessy, that they are now going to drink water (she already knows what means "vodika"), they went on. Sadly Barbara forgot to tell her, that this water waits for her in the car. So before the finish line she pulled once again out from the path towards a small channel full of water. After they managed to go back to the track, Chessy got more and more energy, confidence back from all the cheer-leading beside the track. Thank you all, because you helped Chessy a lot!
At the end Chessy was 6th with time 16 min 45 s, i.e. she had 2 minutes more than Heidi, but Heidi knows all the commands and Barbara knows Heidi, while we are all getting to know Chessy.
We thank the organizers for such a nice event, all the competitors, spectators, and all the photographers: Katja Jemec, Blayo San and Vesna Hrovat. It was really a nice day and we are looking forward to 4th memorial of Henrik Sečnik 2015.
Close to the competition ground there was a lovely pond with lots of different waterfowl. Chessy went for a walk near the birds (on a leash) and did not even try to chase/flush them (the exercise sit and wait is getting better and better). There was also a nice area almost without birds, so we could practice free search and retrieving from water, just to see, if there is sth to improve.
Chessy's steadiness is not fine, also her self-control is close to none, but we are working on that. Her free search was nice but it was hard to create the exercise, because she is not steady. There is no sit and hold, and she shakes after she gets out from water. At least she does not drop the dummy.